Det er ikke umulig å se for seg at iranerne hadde tatt ham ut.
Nei, ikke noe i de ryktene.
Hadde det vært Iran som først angrep USA, så hadde Trump hatt et poeng. Ville han forventet Nato støtte om han ville tatt Grønland med makt også…? Forventer han at USA på eget initiativ skal starte de kriger de ønsker, for så å kreve bistand fra Nato?
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Antar at Europa ikke har noe ønske om å kjempe skulder ved skulder med den krigsglade Netanyahu heller - en mann som den internasjonale straffedomstolen har utstedt arrestordre på for krigsforbrytelser.
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…det virker nesten som om Europa ønsker at Iran skal vinne, og flere av forumdeltagerne her også.
Om Iran skulle komme seirende ut av denne krigen, da kan vi alle kysse ræva vår farvel. For da står vi alene igjen, og vil sannsynligvis ha mistet USA som alliert, samtidig som Iran sannsynligvis får oppfylt drømmen sin om den 12. imam, og samler hele den muslimske verden mot oss, med god hjelp fra russland og Kina.
Trump har ufattelig mange feil og mangler, men det han har rett i er at regimet i Iran må bort. Koste hva det koste vil.
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Har ikke sett noen som ikke ønsker et regimeskifte i Iran. Men det betyr ikke at man nødvendigvis støtter en amerikansk president som anser hele verden som sin private lekegrind, og som her har satt i gang en krig han ikke aner konsekvensen av, verken økonomisk eller militært,
Ville heller ikke overvurdert Irans innflytelse i regionen. Blant sunniene har ikke Iran en særlig høy standing fra før, og bedre er det ikke blitt etter at Iran nå har angreoet alle sine naboland.
Selv om USA/Israel trakk seg ut i morgen, ville antagelig dagens regime hatt nok med å stagge sin egen befolkning.
Trump virker forresten litt lei av hele greia der nede, og har begynt å vende blikket mot Cuba.
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Er det virkelig noen som tror de vil invadere landet med bakkestyrker for å velte regimet? De skal vel bare bombe en stund til og så trekke seg ut
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Det jeg tror er at Trump er desperat etter å etterlate et så gyldent ettermæle som overhodet mulig. Og at avgjørelser fremover blir påvirket av den eksakte faktoren. I utgangspunktet burde det minske mulighetene for boots on the ground, men hvem vet. Plutselig oppstår et heroisk innfall.
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Skremmende det hakket han er på nå. Var vel litt sånn som dette mange har vært redd for skulle skje i hans andre periode. Vil ha action og rydde opp i verden nå Trump
Trump vil ha trofeer. Faktiske og imaginære. Være den som har utrettet noe stort. Derav Nobels fredspris, stoppe kriger, hindre atomvåpen, fjerne regimet i Venezuela og Cuba. Er ikke så viktig hva som faktisk skjer, bare han kan spinne historien dit som det passer. Problemet med Iran-krigen er at han ikke kontrollerer hverken narrativet eller den faktiske utviklingen.
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Var en del som. I forrige perioden sa at det I ihvertfall virket som ha ikke var noe glad i starte kriger eller involvere seg stort på bortebane. Dessverre så viste det seg å være feil…som alt annet med Trump går det ikke an å tro på noe som ligner på hold i hans personlighet eller måte å føre politikk på
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Er ikke Marie Kondo eller Eivind Hellstrøm vi snakker om her…
Dette er ikke rydding :-/
Dette er manglende situasjonsforståelse.
Edit: Føler jeg gjentar meg selv (en del) her nå.
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Her er en fin og humoristisk oppsummering av hvorfor krigen ble startet og litt om NATO, enjoy!
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"Before the U.S. went to war, Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told President Trump that an American attack could prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz.
Caine said in several briefings that U.S. officials had long believed Iran would deploy mines, drones and missiles to close the world’s most vital shipping lane, according to people with knowledge of the discussions.
Trump acknowledged the risk, these people said, but moved forward with the most consequential foreign-policy decision of his two presidencies. He [Trump] told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.
Now, two weeks into the war, Iran’s leaders have refused to back down, and the Strait of Hormuz has emerged as Tehran’s most potent leverage point."
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Fra face’en til den amerikanske historikeren/kommentatoren Heather Cox Richardson:
Vel verdt å lese hele om man vil forstå hvor fucked / rævva planlagt dette faktisk er, imho.
"March 17, 2026 (Tuesday)
Yesterday, President Donald J. Trump continued to demand that other countries help the U.S. reopen the Strait of Hormuz for tanker traffic, but one by one, they declined. It is a dangerous business, and since Trump launched the war without consulting anyone, they don’t seem inclined to help him out of the mess he created. For his part, Trump has told reporters that “numerous countries” have told him “they’re on their way” to help enable ships to transit the strait, but he has also threatened to leave the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) over allies’ unwillingness to help clear the strait.
Trump has never articulated a clear reason for the war, but Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli officials have opened another front in Lebanon, saying they intend to destroy the terror infrastructure there as they did in Gaza. So far, Israel’s recent operations in Lebanon have killed more than 850 people and displaced at least 800,000.
Thomas Grove, Milàn Czerny, and Benoit Faucon of the Wall Street Journal reported today that Russia has expanded its efforts to keep Iran in the fight against the U.S. and Israel, offering more intelligence sharing and military cooperation. Russia is providing drone components and satellite imagery that enables Iran to strike U.S. troops and radar systems. The reporters say that “Russia is trying to keep its closest Middle Eastern partner in the fight against U.S. and Israeli military might and prolong a war that is benefiting Russia militarily and economically.”
Meanwhile, Iran has been moving its own ships through the strait and appears to be willing to allow passage through for countries that are willing to negotiate with it. If that practice becomes widespread, prices on oil will ease, making it harder for Iran to keep up pressure on the U.S. and Israel.
Oil is now selling at more than $100 a barrel, up from about $70 a barrel before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran that began on February 28, and gas prices have risen by at least $0.70 a gallon since then. As David Goldman of CNN reports, Iran’s ability to stop most traffic through the Strait of Hormuz threatens not just about 20% of the world’s oil supply as well as natural gas. About 20% of the world’s fertilizer also passes through the strait, which will affect crops for this year’s growing season. It will also limit helium—necessary for the cooling process when making silicon chips and cooling medical equipment—and aluminum.
Anna Kramer of NOTUS reported today that last fall the Trump administration cut all the State Department staffers from the Bureau of Energy Resources who were in charge of maintaining diplomatic contacts with foreign energy bureaus and Middle East gas and oil companies. Those laid off included the only expert in tracking sanctioned oil tankers, and the person in charge of coordinating with the international agency that manages releases of oil reserves around the world to address crises.
“There was never any handover or transition. There was no formal handover of contacts or anything like that. We were all just let go,” one former State Department energy official told Kramer. Those trying to work on energy issues with the U.S. government after their departure could not find any contacts.
Nine former members of the bureau told Kramer it seems clear the administration did not prepare for a global oil crisis. Trump’s claim that “nobody expected” Iran to hit other countries in the Middle East supports their statement because, as they told Kramer, previous administrations planned for exactly that scenario.
Judd Legum of Popular Information explained today that the administration decommissioned the last of its four minesweeper ships in September. Based in Bahrain, the vessels were equipped to find and destroy both moored and bottom mines. They were supposed to be replaced with new systems that use unmanned vehicles, but those have so far been unreliable, and the systems apparently have not been deployed. Legum points out that starting a military operation without anti-mining ships in the region to protect traffic through the Strait of Hormuz illustrates how poorly officials planned.
According to Aaron Rupar of Public Notice, Representative Eric Swalwell (D-CA) observed that Trump “has more plans for the ballroom he’s trying to build at the East Wing than anything he’s gonna do next in the Middle East.”
The fact that Trump’s allies in the White House are backing away from the war, talking to journalists like Politico’s Megan Messerly for a piece published today, suggests they see this conflict as a political disaster. Sources told Messerly they hoped the strikes would be quick, removing Iran’s leader much as Trump’s Venezuela strikes did in January. They said they thought Trump’s vagueness on objectives would let him declare victory whenever he wanted to.
Now, though, the sources told Messerly, they think Trump “no longer controls how, or when, the war ends.” One told her: “We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field, but, to a large extent, they hold the cards now. They decide how long we’re involved—and they decide if we put boots on the ground. And it doesn’t seem to me that there’s a way around that, if we want to save face.” Another warned that officials in the White House “need to worry about an unraveling.”
The sense that Trump has dragged the U.S. into a war in the Middle East is splitting MAGA leadership. Isolationists who supported Trump’s claims of being “America First” and ending long foreign wars are turning on those supporting Trump’s Iranian incursion, and their attacks on social media have become deeply personal. They seem to be trying to hive their supporters off from Trump to coalesce around an even more extreme white nationalism that highlights antisemitism.
Today Joe Kent, a staunch Trump ally, resigned as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, saying that he supported “the values and the foreign policies” Trump had campaigned on but that he “cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”
Although Kent is correct that U.S. intelligence assessed that Iran posed no imminent threat to the U.S., both the White House and House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) pushed back aggressively on Kent’s statements, trying to justify their Iran entanglement.
Johnson said, “We all understood that there was clearly an imminent threat that Iran was very close to the enrichment of nuclear capability and they were building missiles at a pace no one in the region could keep up with.” Trump seemed to try to blame former president Barack Obama for the crisis, telling reporters today that “if I didn’t terminate Obama’s horrible deal that he made…, you would have had a nuclear war four years ago. You would have had…nuclear holocaust, and you would have had it again if we didn’t bomb the site.”
Trump told reporters he thought Kent was a “nice guy” but “very weak on security,” and that he didn’t know Kent well.
Yesterday Trump told reporters that a former president told him, “I wish I did what you did” in attacking Iran. He added, “I don’t want to get into ‘who,’ I don’t want to get him into trouble,” although he said it wasn’t former president George W. Bush and also implied it was a Democrat. Chris Cameron of the New York Times reported that those close to all former Democratic presidents—Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joseph R. Biden—deny that they said any such thing or that they have had any contact with Trump lately.
This morning, Trump posted on social media: “Because of the fact that we have had such Military Success, we no longer ‘need,’ or desire, the NATO Countries’ assistance—WE NEVER DID! Likewise, Japan, Australia, or South Korea. In fact, speaking as President of the United States of America, by far the Most Powerful Country Anywhere in the World, WE DO NOT NEED THE HELP OF ANYONE!”"
For et jævla shitshow ass. DJ Tantrum in da house.
[mine uthevninger, et slags forsøk på å dra ut essensen her, for dem som ikke orker lang tekst]
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Må det være enten/eller her?
Jeg tipper jeg snakker for de fleste her (unntatt vulgaritetene da) når jeg ønsker følgende:
Jeg ønsker at Iran skal få et nytt, bedre styresett som ikke er i krig med sin egen befolkning, og ikke utgjør en trussel mot verdensfreden + diverse naboland.
Når det er sagt, så har DJ Tantrum og hans “ekstremt opplyste” sykofant-gjeng kollektivt stukket mikropenisene sine inn i en blyantspisser (Hormuz) som forutsigbart nok roterer rundt og rundt. Nå går det på forhuden løs: AU! MEN: Gitt de vedvarende truslene mot NATO, europeisk sikkerhet + at denne administrasjonen faktisk er i krig med store deler av sine egen befolkning (Minneapolis, Portland osv…) så ønsker jeg at resultatet av dette gedigne geopolitiske kukstykket blir at den amerikanske befolkningen + verden generelt blir fri fra denne tyrannen og erstattet av noe som er bedre for alle involverte parter. Der vi er nå er det ganske mange alternativer som er bedre enn den nåværende US adm. og ganske få som faktisk er verre. Så jeg håper ihvertfall denne amerikanske adminstrasjon kollapser som et stk føkkings overhevet brød på tur ut av stekeovnen.
Israel? Hva skal man si. Håper de får et nytt bedre styresett som klarer å leve mer harmonisk med folkene rundt seg. Men det spørs om ikke det toget har gått nå. I motsetning til USA og Iran er det litt vanskeligere å hevde at landet er i krig med sin egen befolkning. Var en piece i Haaretz her nylig som oppsummerte det greit:
Edit: Sry, piece er bak betalingsmur nå. Men tittelen sier jo egentlig alt man trenger å vite.
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Et jævla surr egentlig.
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Trump er tydelig pro Russland vs Ukraina.
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Samtidig er han negativ til NATO fordi dem ikke hopper når han nå truer dem om å bidra i krigen, uten å informert NATO i forkant.
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Israel positiv til Ukrainas hjelp angående droner, det samme er gulfstatene.
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Samtidig som han presser Ukraina om å lage avtale med Russland, driver Russland å
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Og mens alt dette foregår sitter han å ymter frempå å fyre igang noe på Cuba i samme slengen.
Fy faen for et shitshow!
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…det er som det bruker, alle er veldig enig om at regimet må fjernes, planen er tilsynelatende å dialogisere til de dør av kjedsomhet eller de endelig får atomvåpen. Imens kan vi se regimet slakte titusenvis av sine borgere som tør å protestere i gatene, da må vi passe på å toe våre hender og offe oss med bekymret mine.
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