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Russland/Ukraina debatt 9

Bloomberg som jeg refererte til viste at Russland nå får rundt 50$ fatet, så endel verre enn det :stuck_out_tongue:

Eksporten av raffinerte produkter så ut til å ende ned 15%+ i juni 2026, men vil tro at tallene for juli blir enda verre. Det praktisk her er at når Ukraina slår ut russiske raffinerier så:

  • Øker russisk oljeeksport, så de presser ned sine egne priser
  • Russland får bensinmangel
  • Russland får eksportert mindre raffinerte produkter (som ville gitt bedre marginer)

Så, innenlandsøkonomien til Russland blir svekket pga bensinmangel, høye priser og svartebørsvirksomhet, eksportøkonomien blir svekket fordi de konkurrerer med seg selv om å eksportere olje og får eksportert mindre bensin/diesel.

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De $ 70 jeg refererer til er Brent.
Men takk for oppdateringen at russerne iflg Bloomberg må selge til $ 50.
Har lagt til den opplysningen i oppr innlegg.

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Som du peker på i ditt siste innlegg, kan fortsatt UKR kampanje mot RUS raffinerier, ytterligere forverre situasjonen for vår kjære Putin!

I så fall er det drivstoff-kaoset vi har sett tilløp til nå, bare begynnelsen.

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Man så jo det når Prigozin marsjerte mot Moskva, folk var ikke beskymret :stuck_out_tongue:

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Bill Browder skriver litt om alt som skjer:

"Despite his best efforts, Trump may just have won the war for Kyiv

Putin gambled that the West would lose its nerve, and Ukraine would always be held on a short leash by its friends. That leash has snapped .Trump never meant to help Ukraine win. But he may have done it anyway.

By stripping away America’s grip over Kyiv, the president handed Ukraine the freedom to take the war to Russia.

During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised again and again that he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. Of course he didn’t. We are now more than 1,580 days into this war and it still rages. But here is the irony. Trump’s own actions, none of them meant to help Ukraine, may have brought the end of this war closer than anything that came before.

Go back to Joe Biden. He promised that America would stand with Ukraine “for as long as it takes”, and he sent more than $66bn in military aid. That was welcome. But it came with a crippling condition. In return for American weapons, Washington demanded that Ukraine do nothing to “escalate”. The Biden administration had swallowed Putin’s nuclear sabre-rattling whole, and it forced an impossible position on Kyiv.In practice it meant Ukraine could only strike Russian forces once they had crossed into Ukraine. Think about how absurd that was. Russia could mass its troops on the border in complete safety. Ukraine had to wait until those troops invaded before it was allowed to fire back. So the war dragged on. Russia took staggering losses, and still time was on its side.

Then Trump arrived. One of his first moves was to choke off American money and weapons. He demanded that Ukraine pay America back for Biden’s aid through a one-sided minerals deal. And he humiliated Volodymyr Zelensky in front of the world in that Oval Office meeting, telling him, “You don’t have any cards.”

It was demoralising for Ukraine and for everyone who wants Russia to lose. But it opened a door. Once Washington no longer bankrolled Ukraine, Washington could no longer give Ukraine orders. The leash was off. The United States could no longer demand that Ukraine spare targets inside Russia. That single change has altered the course of the war. For months now, Ukraine has used its own drones and missiles to take apart Russia’s oil refining and export industry. We wake up to images of refineries on fire across Russia. When Putin opened his flagship economic forum in St Petersburg in June, the so-called “Russian Davos”, it began with a Ukrainian strike on the city’s oil terminal and black smoke hanging over the skyline. A warship burned in the harbour. His guests arrived to the sight of his war coming home.

The damage is real. At times these strikes have knocked out close to a quarter of Russia’s refining capacity. In late May, Russian refining fell to its lowest level in two decades. Dozens of regions have brought in fuel rationing. There are queues at petrol stations, and in Crimea the pumps have stopped serving ordinary drivers. An oil and gas superpower can no longer supply its own people with petrol. That is remarkable. While Trump and Europe dither over oil sanctions, Zelensky has imposed his own, one burning refinery at a time.

Ukraine is hitting weapons plants and military targets too, and it is strangling the supply lines into occupied Crimea in ways we could not have imagined a year ago. Trump told Zelensky he had no cards. It turns out Putin is the one holding nothing.

This is no moment to sit back and applaud. It is the moment to press harder. The West should help Ukraine finish the job.

That means more weapons. It means more air defence, so that Russia’s inevitable retaliation against Ukrainian cities is far less deadly. It means we finally confiscate Russia’s roughly $300bn in frozen central bank reserves, most of it sitting in Europe, and hand it to Ukraine to fund the fight. More than four years on, that money is still only frozen, not seized. And it means secondary sanctions on the refineries in India, China and Turkey that keep buying Russian oil, so that Putin’s war machine is starved of cash and grinds to a halt.

I have spent more than a decade as one of Putin’s most determined opponents. I know how he reads weakness, and I know how he reads strength. He gambled that the West would lose its nerve, and that Ukraine would always be held on a short leash by its own friends. For once, that leash has snapped.

Our job now is to make sure it stays off."

Sir William Browder KCMG is an American-born British financier who formerly headed the largest foreign investment fund in Russia. In 2005 he was declared a threat to Russian national security and deported to the UK

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tl;dr: Hjelp som kommer med begrensninger på bruk er ikke hjelp, men snarere en tvangstrøye

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Fra chatgpt:

All kapasitet som Ukraina klarer å ta ut framover nå vil være kjennes ekstra ille for russerne. Såvidt jeg vet, så er det hovedsakelig bensin det er mangel på nå, men fortsetter disse angrepene å akkumulere skade på rafineriene, så vil det også bli mangel på diesel. Det vil kunne påvirke langtransport i Russland.

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The 'Yamal Cross’ in western Siberia is a junction that transits 85% of Russia’s natural gas. 17 massive pipelines cross under 54–100 atmospheres of pressure. Disrupt it, and 57% of Russia’s electricity production goes dark.

Lurer på når Ukraina tar ut denne.

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Jeg konfererte raskt pr epost med Zelensky om ditt spørsmål.
Hans svar var at Yamal Cross
«will be taken out at a time of our liking»

Han ba meg hilse alle venner i Norge!

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Litt geografi:

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Det ligger helt i ytterkant av hva f.eks. Flamingo-missilet har i rekkevidde.
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Btw, rørene er begravet, ikke åpne som på bildet over. Så nytter nok ikke med noe drone her, må nok opp i f.eks. Flamingo.

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Jeg har sett flere rapporter om at større kjøretøyer får fylle maks 200 liter med diesel. Det legger begrensninger på rekkevidden. Det gir kanskje 600 km rekkevidde. I Russland har jeg hørt at det er vanlig med to sjåfører på lange strekninger, og det er ikke sikkert at tilgangen på diesel underveis er god. Om man må stille i lange køer blir etappene kortere og transporttiden lengre.
https://english.nv.ua/amp/fuel-rationing-spreads-further-across-russia-50620194.html

Yakutia’s regional government said the largest local fuel supplier, Sakhaneftgazsbyt, has limited refueling to 30 liters of gasoline or 200 liters of diesel per vehicle and has banned sales into any containers.

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Noen fornøyde russiske bilister og motorsyklister i Russland:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Roadcam/comments/1uke37i/russia_a_motorcyclist_films_the_fuel_situation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Roadcam/comments/1uis9ij/russia_zabaykalsky_krai_far_east_russia_the_fuel/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Roadcam/comments/1ujwdlg/russia_a_russian_drives_around_moscow_looking_for/

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Hej Norge

Dagens update !

Kommer der et oprør ala’ Wagner :thinking:

Denys med fantastiske Flamingo billeder :ukraine:
Flamingoer har frit spil ser det ud til :clap:

SHOCK! PUTIN COMPLETELY HUMILIATED! RUSSIANS AGAINST WAR?! THE BARELY COULD SURVIVE AFTER THIS!

Ukraine Destroys Two More Key Bridges: On the Mariupol-Donetsk Highway and the E58 Road

State TV pundits worry that Russia is becoming a laughing stock :rofl: :rofl:

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/hornet-drone-forces-russians-to-build-multi-layered-countermeasure-system/

:partying_face: :partying_face: :partying_face: :partying_face: :partying_face:

Dagens Pollental – relativt pæne tal :thinking:

Med dagens Pollental er vi for Juni måned nået 39.290 Døde og årede :smiling_imp:

Slava Ukraini :ukraine:

Dansken

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Ser der, nå må Russland kjøpe bensin.

Så en video fra krim. Der hadde de ikke strøm og ikke bensin til aggregat, så kassen fungerte ikke, så det var ikke mulig å handle. Ukraina har virkelig gjort alt for å tømme krim for folk og redusere putins makt over Krim

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Det var ikke mye som skulle til. Sånn går det når man kan treffe på meterne. Vil tro de traff på undersiden eller i støttene under

Russland sitter ikke stille

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Synd om de på Krim som inte støtter pootin da… veit ikke hvor mange de er. Da jeg var på Krim før 20 år siden (!) var p00tin populær. Kiev ville man ikke høre tales om. Men på den tiden var det et helt annet styre i Kiev, så det kan ha endrets. Det var sterk lokalpatriotisme.

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Helt klart, Ukraina har tatt av seg silkehanskene.

På den andre siden, de bomber ikke sivile og det er dritt uten strøm og bensin, men ikke livstruende. Den ca millionen med russere som flyttet inn dit etter 2014 kan jo flytte tilbake til Russland.

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Kazakhstan is sending 50,000 tons of gasoline to Russia as humanitarian aid — Reuters

Den 24 juni forespurte RUS om Kazakhstan bensin:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-asks-kazakhstan-gasoline-ease-shortages-sources-say-2026-06-24/

Denne meldingen fra 1 juli indikerer at Kazakhstan sier ja, men forutsetter at RUS vil sende flybensin til Kazakhstan i bytte, da Kazakhstan trenger dette:

Mens denne meldingen fra 1 juli sier det samme som Evil skrev, nemlig 50.000 tonn bensin skal sendes som humanitær bistand, uten betingelse om flybensin den andre veien:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2649289/world

RUS storangrep mot Kyiv nå i natt:

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