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Syria debatt/småprat

FN er en pro-islamsk organisasjon så derfra kommer man ikke å få høre noe.

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Slik ser EU på situasjonen i Syria:

Utrolig !

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-09/syria-to-investigate-violence-that-killed-hundreds-of-civilians

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Du skal ha for å ha postet det her en dag før media gjør det.

Etter å ha fulgt Ukraina krigen, så tar jeg all info med en klype salt, men dessverre, så hadde du v gode kilder her.

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Ingen tvil om at “et par hundre” sansynligvis er altfor lavt.

Det overrasket meg at Assaads folk virket å slippe unna med det relativt greit, men det var tydeligvis bare for å konsolidere makt før man kjørte på.

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Nå er det jo assad sine folk som blir slaktet da :stuck_out_tongue:

( de bor langs kysten),.

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Det er det jeg også skriver, muligens litt klønete formulert.

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Best case hele veien var vel at det uungåelig ville bli knust noen menneskelige egg i den nærmest umulige prosessen for å få laget noe som ligner på en omelett (et Syria med fremtidshåp). At noen fraksjoner med tilknytning til landets leder faller tilbake til gamle synder er således ikke veldig sjokkerende. Med muligheten til å bli en anelse beroliget av de første rapportene om at det var uakseptabelt og ville bli gransket. Men det var etter de første rapportene. Om det nå har gått fra noen titalls, via hundrevis til tusenvis… vel :broken_heart:

Får bare håpe tross alt at tallene er kraftig feil. Av så alt for mange grunner…

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Sekterisk vold i Syria var jo et av de store skrekkscenarioene ved regimets fall. Har vært overgrep alle veier i løpet av borgerkrigen.

Det er jo heller ikke sånn at det ikke har foregått overgrep fra det gamle regimet:

Så dette blir jo nå et spørsmål om det nye regimet i syria klarer å stoppe overgrep mot sivile, uansett hvem de tilhører.

Veldig mange av filmene man ser på bluesky er det helt umulig å vite hvem gjelder og når det er, som er grunnen til at man trenger verifisert info.

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En oversettelse fra en video på reddit:

Here is a translation by u/nouramarit

“May peace and the mercy of God be upon you. With you speaking is Muhammad Abu Obeida from Latakia city. We need to talk about the violations and the crimes that have occurred over the past two days in Baniyas, Jableh, and various other locations. Today, I speak in my name, as well as the name of every person with honor who condemns the killings and the oppression, and in the name of every fighter who hasn’t betrayed the oath and the teachings of prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

This is my message to Sheikh Abu Muhammad Al-Jolani (Ahmed al-Sharaa), and the whole military command. O Sheikh, the killings that have occurred, the killing of civilians in their own homes, did our religion command that? Were these the teachings of the prophet? To take people out of their own homes and to kill them in cold blood, were these the teachings of prophet Muhammad? I swear, o Sheikh, we did not go out [to fight] for this. We did not go out and bore arms so we could take people out of their homes to kill them and to burn their personal belongings. We did not go out [to fight] for this reason. We chose to fight rightfully because we were oppressed. This is the reason why we bore arms and fought.

We now see the people of the other factions entering the villages of the Alawites to take them out of their homes and to kill them in cold blood. Are these regime remnants? Are those who were staying in their own homes in safety regime remnants? I swear, after the end of the battle, I was surprised by the videos that were sent to me. I was surprised by the violations. And they were all committed by people part of either the Hamza or Amsha militias. Because I swear, and I witnessed, that General Security were protecting civilians. By God, I testify to their goodness.

But o Sheikh, we now demand, and I as a military personnel among the elite forces, demand the prosecution of these criminals. The criminals that killed people on a sectarian basis. We demand their prosecution. O Sheikh, we need to purify our army. O Sheikh, when these people went to Libya, they went as mercenaries, not as mujahideen. Those people do not represent us. They’re entering people’s homes and killing them.

O Sheikh, these are not the teachings of the prophet, and this is not our faith, and not our religion. This is not humanity. Our religion is the religion of peace and mercy. We fight combatants that are fighting us, and I support killing them. But to take people out of their safe homes to kill them? By God, o Sheikh, this is not why we go out and fight. O Sheikh, I, Abu Obeida, urge you to prosecute these criminals. They should not stay among us. O Sheikh, they should not stay among us, they should be prosecuted, and everything is detailed via video and audio evidence.

O Sheikh, if we hadn’t known you as a rightful, faithful, and good person who believes in God, we wouldn’t have followed you for this reason. Because you are a rightful person. I swear to God, I as a person consider all of our military efforts to now be worthless after their atrocious acts, because we are not criminals. We fight for rightful reasons. If we kill someone, we kill him for rightful reasons, because he’s a criminal, and not a person who’s safely in their home. I swear, our hearts are breaking after seeing those videos.

And I repeat, and I bore witness, that General Security protected the lives of civilians. I swear to God, these people were staying true to the oath. But the people who came from the north, especially from the Hamza and the Amsha militias, I swear they were ruthless in their killings, thefts, and the destruction of people’s properties. They killed them simply because they belonged to the Alawite sect. Is that what our religion commands? I hope that this video spreads, so we can prosecute these criminals. They must be prosecuted. They should not stay among us. Our army must be pure so we can protect the people, not to kill them. Or should we act as the regime used to? Is he [al-Assad] a role model, for us to act like him? Our humanity, our faith, and the teachings of prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, all do not permit us to do this. Thus, they should be prosecuted. O Sheikh, you need to put out an order to prosecute all of these [criminal] people so we could show people that we do not support what happened. Peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be upon you.”

Var mye tekst der:

The speaker, Muhammad Abu Obeida from Latakia, condemns recent killings and sectarian violence in Syria, particularly in Baniyas and Jableh. He addresses Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Jolani, criticizing brutal acts committed by members of the Hamza and Amsha militias, who targeted civilians—especially Alawites—by dragging them from their homes and executing them. He insists this goes against Islamic teachings and the purpose of their fight, which was originally against oppression, not to commit atrocities.

Abu Obeida urges al-Jolani and military leaders to prosecute those responsible and purify their ranks, warning that such crimes undermine their cause. He distinguishes these fighters from true mujahideen, denouncing those who act as mercenaries and engage in looting and murder. He also defends General Security, claiming they protected civilians. Finally, he calls for accountability to demonstrate that their movement does not condone these actions.


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Det er en ganske mørk vei du er inne på sånn du sitter og raller i vei.

Et googlesøk ‘un syria’ gir jo drøssevis med treff

https://english.news.cn/20250311/d6e869c0f8a747c48f285bce3273cd65/c.html

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250310-un-chief-alarmed-over-violent-escalation-in-parts-of-syria/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/un-human-rights-chief-urges-immediate-cessation-of-killings-in-northwest-syria/3505728

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Hva mener du er løsningen for Syria?

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Syria er så fullt av hat og motsetninger, at det å skape fred er en ufattelig vanskelig sak.
Spørsmålet nå er hvor mye av disse massakrene som skyldes myndighetene eller ikke. Er det satt i scene av de nye makthaverne, eller er det som følge av elementer utenfor kontroll?

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Link?

Hevn er en gammeltestamentlig verdi ja. :see_no_evil:

https://snl.no/øye_for_øye,_tann_for_tann

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Ja, bare se på USA sin respons på 9/11, ikke noe gammeltestamentelig over den.

Invasjonen av Irak kan man se på som en direkte konsekvens

Gammeltestamentlig er; «øye for øye, og tann for tann», god gammeldags blodhevn, nytestamentlig er mer «vend det andre kinnet til» dvs luthersk selvpisking.

Nei, amerikanere brukte hovedsakelig soldater i muslimske land. Vi i vesten er jo tross alt siviliserte.